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Post by streamofpassion on Oct 9, 2009 16:41:59 GMT -5
good god do i wish my mother aborted me.. they wanted one child, then bam, fucking twins. she and my father considered it, but thought it would seem shameful to other people so they didn't. i don't think all these extreme pro-life people know from experience what it's like to be blatantly unwanted by the poor motherfuckers that forced you into this world. life is not always a gift.
so, what do you pro-lifers suppose that the unfortunate saps that are borne into a horrendous situation (like people whose father is also their grandfather) just for the sake of life itself are supposed to do when they're inconsolably miserable from their forced life situation? do you figure "well, they can always kill themselves later, but at least they had a chance to live!" or what?
if it wasn't obvious, i'm 100% pro abortion.
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Post by whirrs on Oct 10, 2009 21:02:30 GMT -5
I'm really sorry for what happened to you, Avery. But yes, I am extremely pro-life, and against the murder of animals - this includes humans. No offense, but I think this is just a really really really selfish way of looking at it. I'm sure you didn't mean to come off like this, but hey, the world doens't revolve around you. Just because you had a bad childhood experience doesn't mean EVERYONE else will. Have you ever thought about people who end up leading happy lives? Well being 100% for adoption means you will be taking that away from them, the child AND the mother. I have friends that are raised in single families or are adopted and all of them are leading perfectly happy lives. At the end of the day, abortion IS ending another human's life. I don't think it's justified just because YOU had a bad experience and wish you were aborted. And sorry but what the fuck? "well, they can always kill themselves later, but at least they had a chance to live!" Of course I don't think that. Thats called depression and it's a completely different issue entirely.
sorry if I sound pretty worked up about this, but life is such a precious thing, really. And I just get so hurt when people think that it's okay to end other people's/other animal's. I sound like this when I'm in debates about animal rights, so most of you should get where this is coming from, haha. And please, oh god, don't get me started on capital punishment - lol. I'll probably write a 500 page novel to you about it.
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Post by GYARADOS. on Oct 14, 2009 9:02:11 GMT -5
(sorry off topic) Janice, have you seen Recycling? it's a scary japanese fictional movie about abortion
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Post by whirrs on Oct 15, 2009 7:43:58 GMT -5
No I haven't! Is it any good?
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Post by GYARADOS. on Oct 15, 2009 8:56:43 GMT -5
i honestly haven't either. but my mother saw it and loved it, she described it and it sounds like a movie you would like (if you like scary movies, that is)!
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Post by streamofpassion on Oct 26, 2009 2:15:10 GMT -5
I'm really sorry for what happened to you, Avery. But yes, I am extremely pro-life, and against the murder of animals - this includes humans. No offense, but I think this is just a really really really selfish way of looking at it. I'm sure you didn't mean to come off like this, but hey, the world doens't revolve around you. Just because you had a bad childhood experience doesn't mean EVERYONE else will. Have you ever thought about people who end up leading happy lives? Well being 100% for adoption means you will be taking that away from them, the child AND the mother. I have friends that are raised in single families or are adopted and all of them are leading perfectly happy lives. At the end of the day, abortion IS ending another human's life. I don't think it's justified just because YOU had a bad experience and wish you were aborted. And sorry but what the fuck? "well, they can always kill themselves later, but at least they had a chance to live!" Of course I don't think that. Thats called depression and it's a completely different issue entirely. sorry if I sound pretty worked up about this, but life is such a precious thing, really. And I just get so hurt when people think that it's okay to end other people's/other animal's. I sound like this when I'm in debates about animal rights, so most of you should get where this is coming from, haha. And please, oh god, don't get me started on capital punishment - lol. I'll probably write a 500 page novel to you about it. so, what DO you expect the people who are fucked over by the pro-life movement to do when it turns out that their screwed up existence is.. screwed up? you say that i have a selfish way of looking at it, yet you seem as though you couldn't care less about the people who are fucked over by being born and forced into a fucked up reality just for the sake of you being able to say that you're glad life was achieved that day. you don't care what actually happens to these people as long as they're born and take their first breath- no matter how miserable their life may turn out to be. at what cost is the 'chance to live'? sure, a select few may turn out happy with no hangups about it, but in a society that is centered on feelings and living in the past, for many the whole 'born into a hideous situation / unwanted / unable to be properly cared for by parent/s / etc' thing begins to have serious effects. at what significance is that to you, though, when you can say that "at least they lived" at the end of the day?
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Post by streamofpassion on Oct 26, 2009 14:51:52 GMT -5
but hey, the world doens't revolve around you. by the way, it's THIS part of the post that infuriates me the most. you assume that my view is based on only my experiences, yet you have no fucking clue who i've known and what i've seen that led me to this view on abortion. that little story about my experiences with being unwanted? that's nothing compared to the sick reality of countless examples of people i've known. you may live in a world where you can talk about a couple people who lived "happily ever after" and use that make your point about "pro-life", but i can tell a much more grim side of the story with characters illustrating a tale about people who probably should have never been born.
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Post by deja on Oct 30, 2009 12:31:23 GMT -5
Fact is Avery, there's always a chance. There's a chance that the unaborted child is going to have an awful life like you have witnessed. There's also a chance that they WON'T. No one has the right to decide "well, there's a chance it'll be hell... so I guess we'll spare them". Nobody knows for certain how things are going to turn out for each person, so it is extremely unfair for someone to take another person's life into their own hands and decide what they think is best. There's no way for them to know how that child's life is going to turn out.
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Post by whirrs on Oct 31, 2009 3:50:02 GMT -5
I agree with Deja, and of course I do care about their lives afterwards! But the thing is that it has nothing to do with abortion. Abortion is ending ALL chances. Also, once again it's called depression and needs to be cared for and treated differently, not by abortion.
So I'm the cruel one for wanting people to have a chance to live? This was actually quite an intelligent thoughtprovoking debate. But really, it ended when you resorted to swearing constantly and making assumptions about me.
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Post by AnimalAvenger on Nov 2, 2009 16:19:17 GMT -5
I'm locking this debate for now and will decide what to do with it later. I may also punish those who've breached any rules.
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